Another person was hot and killed by ICE.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/live-updates/reported-shooting-south-minneapolis-federal-agents-protesters/

What is your take on what is happening?

Not trying to state any opinion - I'm just posting what immediately showed up when I Google'd it.

This whole thing is messed up. A lot of innocent people are being killed. ICE needs to end.

3 minutes ago, K.C. said:

This whole thing is messed up. A lot of innocent people are being killed. ICE needs to end.

Allegedly they've rescued a lot of little children from being sex trafficked -- if that's true I think they do have worth. I'm not from the US so not particularly knowledgeable on the ins and outs.

But good deeds don't offset bad deeds.

Unless they absolutely had no other option -- which doesn't seem to be the case -- they committed murder and should be judged accordingly.

11 minutes ago, perpetually said:

Allegedly they've rescued a lot of little children from being sex trafficked -- if that's true I think they do have worth. I'm not from the US so not particularly knowledgeable on the ins and outs.

But good deeds don't offset bad deeds.

Unless they absolutely had no other option -- which doesn't seem to be the case -- they committed murder and should be judged accordingly.

Well if that’s true about them saving children from sex trafficking, that’s one good thing they’ve done. Idk, it’s a touchy subject. A lot of them aren’t properly trained to handle certain situations and the ones who have committed murder should definitely be judged accordingly. They’re doing more harm than good.

39 minutes ago, K.C. said:

Well if that’s true about them saving children from sex trafficking, that’s one good thing they’ve done. Idk, it’s a touchy subject. A lot of them aren’t properly trained to handle certain situations and the ones who have committed murder should definitely be judged accordingly. They’re doing more harm than good.

in a way I think it's most important to talk about touchy subjects -- because it's so hard to be rational about them. emotions get in the way for me

2 hours ago, perpetually said:

in a way I think it's most important to talk about touchy subjects -- because it's so hard to be rational about them. emotions get in the way for me

Show me the credible source that proves anyone was rescued from anything please.

It's interesting how human minds work - we see someone get murdered in the streets, but then we reference unverified reports that somehow offset the murder.

This is how the cycle continues. Someone kills someone else, then a bunch of people gather around and begin distracting from what happened with random other things that are unrelated.

Somewhat upsetting, as everything should be weighed individually.

For example, if I were to punch someone, I won't get out of punching them just because I claim (and I stress "claim") that I donated to GOODWILL yesterday.

So again, I want to point out, how disturbing it is, that I brought up someone supposedly being murdered this morning, and you immediately distracted to, what appears to be, unrelated and unverified reports of completely different situations.

Do you not see the problem? @perpetually

Or to put it more sarcastically: "Oh, ok, you made a claim without citing your source about something that has nothing to do with what I said, so let's just forget the alleged murder then."

Like honestly @perpetually - what the hell are you even on about?

NOW, if the situation you vaguely referenced/claimed exists was, I donno... masterminded by the man who was shot, then MAYBE it would suddenly be relevant - but then that begs the question: Should someone be on their belly, with their hands (allegedly) no where near anything that could pose a threat to anyone, be executed in the streets?

The answer remains: Of course fucking not.

With that all being said - if you can cite your, hopefully credible/proven source, and somehow connect it to what they did to that random man in Minneapolis, and somehow make your massive distraction from the entire point of the discussion - that would be great.

I know the guy was white - but let's put it in another context. You remember "Black Lives Matter"?

Can you imagine how fucking stupid you'd have to be, to see what happens to a black man, murdered by police and say "Well, sometimes Cops stop horrible crimes tho"

Are you feeling what I'm saying?

Please stay on point.

Please have a point.

The subject is: What happened to that man this morning, and what is your view on that man.

Not: "Hey, please post bullshit unverified claims that have nothing to do with this actual question."

This is one person's take - a popular take - not necessarily completely accurate, I wasn't there, I imagine they were not either.

The world we live in just shitty

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5 hours ago, Onision said:

The subject is: What happened to that man this morning, and what is your view on that man.

I didn't mean to imply that is my opinion on the death. I was responding to K.C saying Ice should end specifically. Like I said, it seems like they committed murder and should be judged accordingly.

I also said bad deeds don't offset good ones

5 hours ago, Onision said:

Can you imagine how fucking stupid you'd have to be, to see what happens to a black man, murdered by police and say "Well, sometimes Cops stop horrible crimes tho"

I think whataboutism is stupid. But I also think jumping to the opposite extreme is also stupid. Imagine if a policeman did this and someone said police need to end. Do you not think a valid response would be -- yes they should be punished for what they did but they still have worth?

As a response to the murder itself, "police have worth" would be insensitive and dumb, so I do apologise if that wasn't the time or place to say that.

let me try to be clear about my opinion: in no way do I think Ice not being 100% good or bad detracts from their culpability here. I think they do more harm than good. I think they need to be reformed

I do not live in US but i follow the news.Where i live,terrorism and like ICE we have so many issues at the border.Our soldiers,civilians die and now we seem to be immune to those news.We should never ever be!Same goes for everywhere around the world!

In here domestic abuse,killing wifes,girlfriends,exes have increased a lot.

Murder of the women is such a big issue here.

I feel so sad,and im afraid it will get worse.We are destroying each other...

I don't think tji

On 1/24/2026 at 9:44 PM, Onision said:

Oh, ok, you made a claim without citing your source about something that has nothing to do with what I said, so let's just forget the alleged murder then."

I wasn't in anyway trying to make a claim to offset the murder -- I did r realise I needed to cite a source to have a discussion . But here.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1004-victims-child-sexual-exploitation-identified-rescued-ice-2015

I don't think this really matters in light of this discussion, you're right. They could rescue twice as many victims and they'd still have dome atrocities. But I do think reform or replacement would be better than ending this aspect of their in operations.

23 hours ago, Promisegreen said:

Murder of the women is such a big issue here.

...why? What would compell the murder of a woman?

6 hours ago, perpetually said:

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1004-victims-child-sexual-exploitation-identified-rescued-ice-2015

That article is more than a decade old reflecting Obama's ICE

This is not Obama's ICE we have murdering US citizens. This is more than a decade later.

57 minutes ago, Onision said:

...why? What would compell the murder of a woman?

That article is more than a decade old reflecting Obama's ICE

This is not Obama's ICE we have murdering US citizens. This is more than a decade later.

Muder of the women in this country is much more than other countries...Sadly.(Im not counting Afghanistan etc.They're just garbage.)

I had no idea about Obama's.i read it thanks to you.I know it wasn't Obamas but had no idea about many things.Thank you for sharing:)

1 hour ago, Onision said:

...why? What would compell the murder of a woman?

That article is more than a decade old reflecting Obama's ICE

This is not Obama's ICE we have murdering US citizens. This is more than a decade later.

I hate to say that but Muslim countries tend to have issues with women.Lol.It's the truth.

Patriarchy runs deep in here.Way back in time out culture respected women more than any other cultures.BACK THEN.unfortunately.

I live in Turkey.

29 minutes ago, Promisegreen said:

I hate to say that but Muslim countries tend to have issues with women.Lol.It's the truth.

Again, what would cause a murder rate of women to be so high?

51 minutes ago, Onision said:

Again, what would cause a murder rate of women to be so high?

Islam,culture,the way men are being raised,patriarchy...

We still quite don't know why it has raised tremendously but it's definitely one of the reasons i've mentioned.I need to dive in the psychology of the men who killed their daughters,wifes,mothers,exes and so on.

Even economy right now might affect it.

I actually mostly blame islamic and arabic culture.

7 hours ago, Onision said:

...why? What would compell the murder of a woman?

That article is more than a decade old reflecting Obama's ICE

This is not Obama's ICE we have murdering US citizens. This is more than a decade later.

Oop

no figures for 2025 yet but I found a 2024 one

Again, this matters only in that I don't want this aspect of their work to end. What matters now is fixing the system that means they're getting deadlier and deadlier for civilians by the year.

Edited January 26Jan 26 by perpetually

8 hours ago, Promisegreen said:

We still quite don't know why it has raised tremendously but it's definitely one of the reasons i've mentioned.

I actually mostly blame islamic and arabic culture.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on that more.

I live in Scotland. There's been a very slight uptick in men killing women over the past few years, after a twenty year downward trend. I am unsure why. But it's awful.

I have noticed, just sitting on buses with a class of teenage boys on the seats near me, that a lot of young men seem to have a really disgusting misogynistic attitude to women lately.

One time a group of teenage boys called me the n-word with a hard r and a lesbian after they very graphically hit on me and I rejected them.

2 minutes ago, perpetually said:

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on that more.

I live in Scotland. There's been a very slight uptick in men killing women over the past few years, after a twenty year downward trend. I am unsure why. But it's awful.

I have noticed, just sitting on buses with a class of teenage boys on the seats near me, that a lot of young men seem to have a really disgusting misogynistic attitude to women lately.

One time a group of teenage boys called me the n-word with a hard r and a lesbian after they very graphically hit on me and I rejected them.

I seriously don't know but lately(more like for the last 10 years) as men got lonelier,they have started to be more aggressive towards women and even little kids.I do not know if it's the new generation,internet or something else.I really wanna dive into the behaviorism of men and just generally people.I love Scotland by the way:) the culture,lands and history:)

I think male loneliness epidemic thingy,p*rn have a lot to do with it.

The man who was killed, I should say murdered..Was not interfering in the officers mission,he was just walking down the street and saw a old lady being pushed to the ground and stopped to help.. true he had a gun but it was in his holster and at no time did he draw it. This all is getting out of hand..

18 hours ago, Sheila89 said:

true he had a gun but it was in his holster

The whole point of the NRA is to be allowed to carry a gun and not be punished for carrying a gun.

What that means is: You can't consider someone a threat, and take action against them, based on the fact they have a holstered weapon.

Otherwise the 2nd Amendment is mostly meaningless.

On 1/26/2026 at 7:47 PM, Guest Promisegreen said:

as men got lonelier,they have started to be more aggressive towards women and even little kids

Loneliness does not = violent monster.

It takes certain type of people to resort to that kind of violence, and it aint all about loneliness... if anything, loneliness should make a person kinder to women, not hostile. Key word: Should

On 1/26/2026 at 7:47 PM, Guest Promisegreen said:

p*rn have a lot to do with it.

There supposedly was a study that established more porn = less crime.

I looked it up to make sure:

Yes, the claim traces back to real academic work, but it is commonly overstated. Several criminological studies, most notably those by Berl Kutchinsky and later analyses by researchers such as Christopher J. Ferguson, observed that after adult pornography was legalized and became more widely available in places like Denmark, West Germany, and the United States, rates of reported sexual crimes did not increase and in some periods declined; however, these findings are strictly correlational, not causal, and the authors themselves did not conclude that pornography reduces crime, only that increased availability did not produce the predicted surge in sexual violence.

So basically, allegedly - it has no overall impact on crime... I guess... no increase or decrease - monsters are just monsters regardless.

one thing I want to say on the other girl's case is that propaganda is real and in other countries they are given propaganda. there is a huge protest in Minneapolis i think and I have seen nothing about it on social media, I do think stuff is being not publicized properly. Ice is killing innocent people. if ice was taking violent criminals back to their countries everyone would agree with that, but people are protesting for the innocent people being taken/killed

9 minutes ago, mary said:

. there is a huge protest in Minneapolis i think and I have seen nothing about it on social media, I do think stuff is being not publicized properly.

Its all over reddit, tiktok, twitter etc... maybe log out of your apps and see the non-custom feed

(post promoting the murder of protestors censored)

A man was executed and you're talking about what he should or should not have done.

Seriously, please stop posting online because justifying the murder of someone because they annoyed authorities? Most police officers agree that was insane and unjustifiable.

Banning you for trying to promote and justify murder.

You know how that one lady was shot when she busted down a window and charged police on Jan 6th? You don't see me talking about how that was somehow ok.

You are truly a sick. Get the fuck off my forum.

1 hour ago, Onision said:

A man was executed and you're talking about what he should or should not have done.

what the fuck?? I'm glad I missed whatever he said, that sounds infuriating.

4 hours ago, perpetually said:

I'm glad I missed whatever he said

he was trying to explain how standing up for your rights in protest (you know, constitutional rights) somehow justifies a person being murdered

basically the "what was she wearing tho" of current politics

It sick. It shouldnt take decades to run a background check/make someone citizen or put them on a boat back to wherever tf they came from. They're rolling up in masks like the gestapo and dragging daycare workers out in front of kids and body slamming construction workers, and shipping them off to labor camps, not their own countries. I get purging the gang members and other criminals, but the normal people who are just here living is just unamerican. nazi behavior

Edited January 31Jan 31 by Rylent

The masks are difficult to defend

On 1/26/2026 at 6:22 PM, Onision said:

...why? What would compell the murder of a woman?

That article is more than a decade old reflecting Obama's ICE

This is not Obama's ICE we have murdering US citizens. This is more than a decade later.

Sadly even though women have rights in any Islamic culture alot of ppl influenced by others and very wrlng teaching which has nothing to do with the quaran

Society definetly influence it

Woman are shunned for so many things such as

Tattoos

Not wearing hijab or taking it off

Talking to men or being too friendly

Refusing an arrange marriage etc

Men are influenced by other men (father brothers husband) to teach the women who do these "crimes" as they say to be punished so they take the matters into their own hands

Its very wrong and stupid but religion and society has a big part in it

Ppl are religious in a way that is extreme and do things in the namw of religion even though its not in the quaran at all

Which is why there honor killings

Murder

Etc